Karmine Corp vs. MVK Esports / World Championship 2026 Play-In Stage - Upper Bracket Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion

[u/Ultimintree]

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 2026 PLAY-IN STAGE

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Karmine Corp 3-0 MVK Esports

KC have defeated MVK!

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FULL MATCH SUMMARY & STATS

🟦	🧱	💰	⚔️	99:30	⚔️	💰	🧱	🟥
KC - W 1st pick	11	63.7k	9	Game 1 (30:14)	4	50.8k	1	L - MVK
KC - W	8	68.8k	21	Game 2 (33:03)	11	61.7k	4	L - MVK 1st pick
MVK - L	4	67.1k	7	Game 3 (36:13)	14	71.9k	8	W - KC 1st pick

Team	Total KDA	KP	CSM	DMG%	Champions Played
🇫🇷 KC	44-22-90
🇰🇷 Canna	9-7-16 (3.6)	57.%	8.6	30.2%	Jayce, Galio, Kennen
🇸🇪 Yike	11-3-17 (9.3)	64%	7.8	13.3%	Vi, Lee Sin, Jarvan IV
🇰🇷 Kyeahoo	10-5-10 (4)	45%	9.5	31%	Syndra, Ahri, Viktor
🇫🇷 Caliste	10-4-17 (6.8)	61%	10.6	17.9%	Draven, Ashe, Xayah
🇺🇸 Busio	4-3-30 (11.3)	77%	1.1	7.7%	Nautilus, Seraphine, Rakan
🇻🇳 MVK	22-44-33
🇻🇳 Kratos	4-7-3 (1)	32%	8.6	16.2%	Ambessa, Twisted Fate, Yorick
🇻🇳 Gury/SanSan	3-11-11 (1.3)	64%	6.5	15.3%	Maokai, Qiyana, Wukong
🇻🇳 Chika	6-13-4 (0.8)	45%	7.6	27.4%	K'Sante, Rumble, Kog'Maw
🇻🇳 Harky	7-6-6 (2.2)	59%	11.3	34.1%	Tristana, Ezreal, Lucian
🇻🇳 SiuLoong	2-7-9 (1.6)	50%	1	6.9%	Lulu, Pyke, Milio

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GAME 1: KC vs. MVK

Winner: Karmine Corp in 30m
Runes | Game Breakdown

	Bans 1	Bans 2	💰	⚔️	🧱	Dragons	VG, RH, BN
KC	Nocturne Olaf Lee Sin	Yone Yunara	63.7k	9	11	🔥1 🧪2 ⛰️4 ⛰️5	3, 1, 1
MVK	Rumble Seraphine Cassiopeia	Gnar Ezreal	50.8k	4	1	⛰️3	0, 0, 0

KC		KDA	vs	KDA		MVK
Player	Pick	9-4-19	⚔️	4-9-9	Pick	Player
Canna	3 Jayce	2-1-3	TOP	0-1-1	4 Ambessa	Kratos
Yike	1 Vi	1-1-4	JNG	0-3-3	2 Maokai	Gury
Kyeahoo	2 Syndra	3-0-1	MID	1-1-1	3 K'Sante	Chika
Caliste	3 Draven	3-1-4	BOT	3-3-1	1 Tristana	Harky
Busio	2 Nautilus	0-1-7	SUP	0-1-3	1 Lulu	SiuLoong

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GAME 2: KC vs. MVK

Winner: Karmine Corp in 33m
Runes | Game Breakdown

	Bans 1	Bans 2	💰	⚔️	🧱	Dragons	VG, RH, BN
KC	Olaf Nocturne Cassiopeia	Wukong Yone	68.8k	21	8	🌪️1 🧪4 🧪5	1, 1, 1
MVK	Pantheon Karma Orianna	Ryze Jax	61.7k	11	4	💧2 🧪3	2, 0, 1

KC		KDA	vs	KDA		MVK
Player	Pick	21-11-50	⚔️	11-21-13	Pick	Player
Canna	2 Galio	1-4-12	TOP	3-4-1	3 Twisted Fate	Kratos
Yike	3 Lee Sin	5-1-8	JNG	3-4-4	2 Qiyana	Gury
Kyeahoo	4 Ahri	6-1-6	MID	2-6-2	1 Rumble	Chika
Caliste	1 Ashe	5-3-10	BOT	2-3-3	3 Ezreal	Harky
Busio	1 Seraphine	4-2-14	SUP	1-4-3	2 Pyke	SiuLoong

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GAME 3: MVK vs. KC

Winner: Karmine Corp in 36m
Runes | Game Breakdown

	Bans 1	Bans 2	💰	⚔️	🧱	Dragons	VG, RH, BN
MVK	Orianna Caitlyn Gnar	Cassiopeia Renekton	67.1k	7	4	⛰️1	3, 0, 1
KC	Nocturne Camille Olaf	Vayne Taliyah	71.9k	14	8	🔥2 🌪️3 🌪️4 🌪️5	0, 1, 1

MVK		KDA	vs	KDA		KC
Player	Pick	7-14-11	⚔️	14-7-21	Pick	Player
Kratos	4 Yorick	1-2-1	TOP	6-2-1	3 Kennen	Canna
Gury	1 Wukong	0-4-4	JNG	5-1-5	1 Jarvan IV	Yike
Chika	3 Kog'Maw	3-6-1	MID	1-4-3	3 Viktor	Kyeahoo
Harky	1 Lucian	2-0-2	BOT	2-0-3	2 Xayah	Caliste
SiuLoong	2 Milio	1-2-3	SUP	0-0-9	2 Rakan	Busio

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This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/ahritina]

PMTs

Game 1 / Game 2 / Game 3

[u/bazinga221]

Last game turned me into an AP Kog believer. Even in a nightmare game when he was put so hard behind he looked completely insane. If someone finds the right angle for it, that's a legit pick.

[u/trying2hide → u/bazinga221]

I think other teams just punish it a lot better. Kanavi is ganking you at level 3,5,6,7,8 etc

[u/OnlyAnEssenceThief → u/trying2hide]

This is the way. Do not let the freak of nature scale, punish him and pop him at first opportunity. Bully him like Smolder.

[u/Pilvikas → u/OnlyAnEssenceThief]

kog is much stronger early game then smolder though

[u/theJirb → u/Pilvikas]

I mean, sure, but I think he's also significantly easier to gank. No smolder E.

[u/N0Ability → u/trying2hide]

Its Kanavi ,hes ganking you anyway.

[u/d0pe-asaurus → u/bazinga221]

The only thing that I took from this series was...

I wonder what chovy can do with Kog mid

[u/AlternativeMonk2490 → u/d0pe-asaurus]

Has Chovy played Kog in a competitive game? I know Caps has.

[u/d0pe-asaurus → u/AlternativeMonk2490]

Nope, never. The last time it was picked in lck was Ruler vs kt tho

[u/taikutsuu → u/bazinga221]

it practically reeks of a G2 flex pick

[u/Jealous-Chicken-9186 → u/taikutsuu]

pretty sure ive seen caps play it before

[u/BluTcHo → u/Jealous-Chicken-9186]

Tbf with him thats a safe bet with any champs, bro can play anything

[u/haven4ever → u/BluTcHo]

Caps Rell mid incoming

[u/CUPIDWIN → u/Jealous-Chicken-9186]

he has.

[u/OnlyAnEssenceThief → u/bazinga221]

Kog'Maw is a disgusting champion (always has been) who is only held back by his unpopularity and the misconception that he needs to be played AD with Lulu. Do not sleep on him. It's the same with Zilean.

[u/deadedgo → u/OnlyAnEssenceThief]

He's held back by the fact he can't do shit when the enemy team has reliable engage. We saw his damage but we also saw him be utterly useless for the longest time due to his obvious weaknesses. I'd think we'll see him more often now but I hope teams draft him when it makes sense

[u/MrPraedor → u/deadedgo]

Yeah he has no peel for himself and no mobility. There are so many champions that can just run him down and he cant do anything about it. There are absolutely times when can be good especially if enemy has no proper engage he comes way stronger.

[u/Thundermelons → u/MrPraedor]

People will also cite champs like Aphelios and Jinx as "no mobility" forgetting that these champs have some CC for themselves in emergencies and ways to contribute to fights from very long range (Jhin W/R, Jinx W/R, Aphelios R/green gun Q). Kog'maw has neither of those other than a slow on his E and a very mana-intensive R that IMO isn't as impactful on its own as say a Jinx R or Aphelios R. I do think he has a unique space in that he can build Zhonyas without losing anything, similar to Varus, but he has a LOT of downsides and needs a team constructed both basically to enable him AND an enemy comp constructed that can't punish him.

[u/bluesound3 → u/deadedgo]

I mean it didnt help that for some bizarre reason he not only didnt pick it last, but he also picked it into triple dive(Kennen J4 Rakan). If he only had to deal with one of those it would've been insanely broken

[u/Rodrake → u/OnlyAnEssenceThief]

I disagree. I've been playing AD Zilean with Lulu and the community does NOT like it.

[u/ChromosomeDonator → u/OnlyAnEssenceThief]

Yeah every single ability of his scales with AP, and the ONLY ability that scales with AD is his ult... which you can't spam without going AP mana items, and it deals much less damage going AD requiring the spam.

Even W, his DPS %-health based ability, scales only with AP.

[u/Substantial-Stay-451 → u/bazinga221]

Yesterday Kog + Jhin was such an impressive show. Kog ults right after Jhin, finishing people at a distance. This kinda worked today in the late game as well paired with Lucian ult but they were too behind

[u/loyal_achades → u/bazinga221]

As someone who’s played a lot of AP Kog in soloqueue (albeit poorly):

He is absolute shit early game and has some truly unplayable lane matchups. That said, if the lane matchup is playable and you can scale, his late game is legitimately insane with his range and damage output. I think a lot of pro teams will refuse to learn it simply because they won’t play something that concedes the early game so completely unless it’s clearly massively overtuned.

[u/F4Phantomll → u/bazinga221]

Nah this champ won't be able to get any items vs better teams. KC was trolling this game

[u/bazinga221 → u/F4Phantomll]

He was basically playing inting Sion on side lanes all game, you can't stop that from working eventually.

[u/Wonder_Penguin]

Canna is a little better than Guigo unfortunately for MVK

[u/kim-soo-hyun → u/Wonder_Penguin]

Canna when there's less pressure is night and day.

[u/FitWindow639 → u/kim-soo-hyun]

Canna where the lights are dim

[u/Trap_Masters → u/FitWindow639]

What happens when we turn off the lights and he plays in the dark?

[u/haven4ever → u/Trap_Masters]

Zeus, Bin and TheShy tremble in terror. Only Doran or C9 Balls can contest him then.

[u/Skyfire2 → u/Wonder_Penguin]

Mind the gap

[u/ExplodingFistz → u/Wonder_Penguin]

Gave me T1 Canna vibes damn

[u/BnuyBoi990]

KC with the pure macro win that final game lol, no real teamfights and the backdoor for the end.

[u/Jaime060304 → u/BnuyBoi990]

Ends like that are always so funny to me.

[u/Leyrann_ → u/Jaime060304]

This one in particular was obvious before Viktor was even in the base itself. (as in, obvious that it was going to end that way)

[u/chapichoy9]

kog maw might actually have some sauce though..

[u/ahambagaplease → u/chapichoy9]

"Perkz, we have to go Kog" I can feel it

[u/Peony_Branch → u/ahambagaplease]

FNC fans remember G2 Kog-Lulu in 2020 spring finals coming out of nowhere with no answer, twice

[u/gridemann → u/Peony_Branch]

The answer was not picking tahm kench into it every game. Unfortunately FNC had already entered their no-brain phase at that point.

[u/Nurik_ → u/gridemann]

Apparently the reason Caps and the rest of g2 came up with picking Kog cause they realized that Rekkles refuses to play picks that happen to counter it.

[u/GenjDog → u/Nurik_]

That's not the case at all. Caps came up with it in a dream the night before the final. But that was also the only time Rekkles played Aphelios that entire playoffs.

[u/F0RGERY → u/ahambagaplease]

Can't wait for Caps to Mog'maw someone

[u/Fast_Spell9717 → u/chapichoy9]

Fr, that champ was making KC sweat for an otherwise free game. Really hope other team pick it up and at least give it a try

[u/N0Ability → u/chapichoy9]

As long as he doesnt try to split push and die 3 times that is.

[u/Socsykal_ → u/chapichoy9]

if youre that behind in a nromal game by the time kog maw is relevant, that sauce is fucking useless

[u/tryme000000 → u/Socsykal_]

he eventually spikes with item & level

[u/nguyenjitsu]

Drafts a sidelaner

Never has waves pushed

[u/DidntFindABetterName → u/nguyenjitsu]

Yorick syndrome

[u/Ultimintree]

Surely this means C9 will 3-0 Furia sub 25 min. every game, right?

[u/Sarazam → u/Ultimintree]

As a C9 believer, I believe they will lose 3-1.

[u/slowpoke0023 → u/Sarazam]

Put that IQ TOO HIGH image

[u/ruhfturfgg → u/Sarazam]

damn u genius

[u/jeziskristus → u/Sarazam]

oh damn

[u/RobbinDeBank → u/Sarazam]

Congrats

[u/Krebota → u/Sarazam]

Impressive

[u/vivinguyen00 → u/Sarazam]

The Prophet

[u/350 → u/Sarazam]

christ

[u/blueaxis-dev → u/Ultimintree]

Clueless

[u/ExplodingFistz → u/blueaxis-dev]

Aware

[u/BakaaBaboo → u/ExplodingFistz]

If they make it back to KC, just to lose 3-0, it would be the most Clown9 thing ever lol.

[u/350 → u/BakaaBaboo]

Good news!

[u/BakaaBaboo → u/350]

Yeah that shit was glorious for a C9 hatewatch lol. Good on them to at least let their fans down sooner.

[u/CFCkyle → u/Ultimintree]

Does he know?

[u/Gerberpertern → u/Ultimintree]

Of course. What could go wrong?

[u/Floowil → u/Ultimintree]

Got some bad news for you

[u/Krebota → u/Ultimintree]

Furia 9-1 Cloud 9 btw

[u/Tfc-Myq → u/Ultimintree]

they won't even be able to beat TT in 75 min

[u/F4Phantomll → u/Tfc-Myq]

We're pretending TT is worse than Furia?

[u/Equivalent_Car3765 → u/Ultimintree]

C9's only choices are to 3-0 or lose the series tbh.

[u/Frodolas → u/Ultimintree]

Oh lord

[u/mercilessceleste]

Honestly even tho it sucked a lot this game kog is lowkey looking like a cook

[u/juliomondin7 → u/mercilessceleste]

I’m still not convinced on the lack of mana items tho

[u/Peony_Branch → u/juliomondin7]

This new AP Kog is about W + D&D with E-R for waveclear and R execute/D&D resets from what I understand, so it's understandable that they go without mana items

[u/juliomondin7 → u/Peony_Branch]

I know but there were multiple team fights where he just went oom

[u/sevillianrites → u/mercilessceleste]

Ap kog has legit some of the craziest scaling for a mage in the game. His utility and survivability are just so poor that it's a gigantic challenge to get there. If you can build a good protection comp around him to keep him safe, he becomes a walking orbital cannon that can zero out champs near instantly from crazy range.

[u/chapichoy9 → u/mercilessceleste]

a human mid would be that strong at like 20 mins

[u/DeloronDellister]

Just team diff

[u/xsm17]

Kratos stocks cratering after that series. I swear if he pushed for the Ksante mid game 1 to take Ambessa and be useless, to top off with TF with attention and gold doing zero damage into the non-split-pushing Yorick...

[u/ExplodingFistz → u/xsm17]

Bro lost all his aura

[u/Omnilatent → u/ExplodingFistz]

Needs one series to regain it

[u/chapichoy9 → u/xsm17]

just how bad is guigo

[u/generic9yo → u/chapichoy9]

Well, psychopathic poro gave him a 0/10 for game 2, so he might as well have shat the bed

Context: poro's grading system says that everyone starts as a 5/10. Good plays lift your score, bad ones lower it. Ending up on a 0 means you had a horror game

[u/Omnilatent → u/generic9yo]

Holy shit I don't think I've ever seen 0/10 from Poro LOL

[u/Dakoolestkat123 → u/Omnilatent]

This is literally the first real time 0/10 Poro has ever given. Truly a historical performance from Guigo

[u/Omnilatent → u/Dakoolestkat123]

The only bad thing for worlds start is that it's almost impossible to watch all the content from day to day

Nut I really hope I can watch his video today or tomorrow LOL

[u/generic9yo → u/Dakoolestkat123]

One of the performances of all time

[u/aspookyshark → u/generic9yo]

Lmao, I need to watch that recap.

[u/Gluroo → u/xsm17]

The toplane TF was infuriating to watch, 4k gold up and still literally completely useless instantly dying at the start of every fight

[u/Fabiocean → u/Gluroo]

Ngl I feel like that's TF top 90% of the time

[u/Flesroy]

not that he was really the issue, but i don't understand why you're playing sansan a second time. the first game there was at least a very clear plan build around him, but when that doesn't work surely you go back to your stable jungler that has been on the main roster the whole year.

[u/tuerancekhang → u/Flesroy]

this is the only bo that has little to no consequences if they had already planned for loser bracket. The only time a sub can be used. I guess their plan is to squeeze out as much international play time as possible

[u/Jaime060304 → u/Flesroy]

I don't think the coaches are very good at drafts full stop.

All 3 games were a complete draft diff.

[u/Lacrimosss → u/Jaime060304]

It's so obvious that they simply can't win with a normal draft, so they do weird shit

It's like Master vs Challenger players and u r blaming them for not drafting normal

The fact that they drafted like that for 3 games in a row, means they simply can't play normal shit vs KC

[u/big938363 → u/Jaime060304]

A team like MVK isn’t gonna beat a major region team playing conventionally, especially when they’re almost all rookies. A good draft can only go so far when there’s hands and macro diff

[u/blueflavor2311 → u/Jaime060304]

There was a clear skill gap and macro gap already, why pick normal?

[u/Kestrels_XP → u/Flesroy]

saving strats?

[u/bvbfan102]

The legendary Frontdoor.

[u/Rawdream]

Two pieces blocking the squares where the king can move. Checkmate.

MVK couldn't ignore Elder, nor protect their nexus.

Vietnamese players can have mechanics, but without pro game knowledge you can't compete at pro. It always has been that way.

[u/Imperative-Primitive]

Funniest thing this entire series was the coach explaining why they used the sub that never played before:

"Yeah, we figured we try something new lmao".

[u/VermouthAPTX]

MVK no macro just brute force is so funny

[u/alterise]

lmao. Was fun to watch MVK running everywhere together as a death ball.

[u/Glibalonija52 → u/alterise]

Random assassin kog'maw finishing people off on the other side of the map.

Literally gold

[u/Justsomeone666]

Nice, so far i've gotten all games correctly on pick ems, now im just going to need C9 to win the lower bracket and then lose to KC

[u/Charming-Apple517]

Chika is that one friend you ask last for a 5-man - What does he play, bro

[u/VermouthAPTX]

Furia still the biggest loser here

[u/andungha → u/VermouthAPTX]

Well…

[u/VermouthAPTX → u/andungha]

Apparently not, mb

[u/xc0mr4de → u/VermouthAPTX]

LOL

[u/d0pe-asaurus → u/VermouthAPTX]

The entire region of CBLOL is downscaling bro because Furia went 2-3 against their first seed LOS

[u/Winter-Annual8887]

Really fun showing from MVK. If they had any macro I think they could've taken a game

Also game 3 made me realize that Drakos is a really really good caster, he was able to switch from "easy 3-0 stomp lets fuck around" to "oh shit they might make it interesting" very well

[u/supafatjellyfish → u/Winter-Annual8887]

If only he could stop saying “instantaneously” 400 times a game 😩

[u/Omnilatent → u/supafatjellyfish]

For me it's "full confidence" but tbh - almost every caster has words or terms they use over and over. For Azael it's "whatsoever", for Vedi it's "that it is"

[u/supafatjellyfish → u/Omnilatent]

Yeah I’m mainly being a shithead :P

[u/Krebota → u/Omnilatent]

You cursed my viewing experience omg

[u/TangibleHazelnut]

Sofm should just play next series. It’ll be like they have coach comms the whole game

[u/mar33n]

kyeahoo was tired of the annoying bee and decided to just destroy its hive

"super based", as busio would say

[u/Gazskull]

I mean KC beat MoViestarKoi the whole year except once, back to the usual

If Canna just kept his ult for Baron or for a tf instead of using it to try to 1v1 people this game would have been 15 mins shorter. Also imagine if you didn't give Jarvan to Blaber yesterday when Yikes has insane stats on it and Blaber would have run out of champions without it. Yes I'm still mad about naafiri

[u/Sofaboy90 → u/Gazskull]

imagine MKOI would be in this play ins. What are the chances they wouldve won this one?

[u/DidntFindABetterName → u/Sofaboy90]

The MKOI way would be to lose vs furia in lower bracket

[u/Kr1ncy → u/Sofaboy90]

Probably around 100%

[u/Carlzzone → u/Sofaboy90]

Idk man I know it’s meta to make fun of KOI internationally but surely Elyoya and Jojo stomp a team like MVK

[u/MariusNinjai]

IDK Yike doesn't feel important in KC

[u/Crobe → u/MariusNinjai]

he's important for the opposite team. Any good team will demolish them through jungle unless he changes something.

[u/Large_Love_2563]

Thats how it ends yeah

[u/Omnilatent]

Obligatory "I guess this is what a major vs minor region should look like" tweet

[u/Miserable_Ad_1195]

well I guess that is also a way to win the game

also I think MVK is the successor to the organization formerly known as Phong Vu Buffalo so in a way KC already did better than G2

[u/DominoNo-]

Game 3 began to look bad until KC decided to end it.

[u/bulletproofikon]

This whole series I constantly had this feeling like MVK could have won if they just were a bit more experienced and played a bit smarter. The compositions they drafted seemed awkward but once it played out in game, it didn’t look that bad. It feels like MVK are cooking something that another team could latch onto and dominate with if that makes sense?

[u/jaylenlai → u/bulletproofikon]

the issue of Vietnamese teams for years been having hands but zero macro game

[u/ElBartimaeus → u/bulletproofikon]

Interesting, I had the exact opposite feeling. Even in game 2, it never felt like KC were in trouble. The opponent made super dumb plays that resulted in fairly low gains and bleeding money left and right. Once KC adapted to this unreasonable guerilla warfare, they demolished them.

[u/OreRound]

Crazy outdraft by MVK, the problem is the team they outdrafted was themselves

[u/Skall77]

Somehow these 3 game were pretty fun despite being stomp

[u/InevitableYoung5006]

A clean 3-0 nothing to see here.

[u/DidntFindABetterName]

Classic elder for base lmao

[u/Prudent-Inevitable-4]

Furia had me thinking that MVK is a decent team and has a chance of going to the swiss, but the skill gap today was huge

[u/Riftx111 → u/Prudent-Inevitable-4]

i mean you could kinda tell yesterday that furia were just shit. both teams were all hands no brain except furia had no hands either

[u/Murarz]

Wow MVK went full soloQ gameplay.

[u/pageturner999]

Just how bad is Furia?

[u/froggy-the-dog → u/pageturner999]

just how bad is NA

[u/Megazord552]

Elder for Nexus trade.

[u/Pway]

Pretty fitting end lmao

[u/Flesroy]

haven't laughed this much in a long time

[u/PressureMinute9638]

KC victoire bébé

[u/EstoyAFK]

The most one-sided yet not clean 3-0 i've seen in a while

[u/Styxxo]

what a messy ending......

[u/DeloronDellister → u/Styxxo]

That comp with Kog was kinda scary

[u/Ajp_iii → u/DeloronDellister]

only caused they refused to engage on him they just need to jarvin ult viktor ult or kennen flank and he cant do anything.

oh i forgot they also had rakan

[u/DeloronDellister → u/Ajp_iii]

Canna and Kyeahoo were constantly playing their own game which made the game really awkward to play

[u/EkrishAO]

Thank god for that backdoor because I was already seeing the reverse sweep

[u/Pendragon_ss]

Chika gimmick picks 3 games in a row--> Loses 3 games in a row

[u/Repulsive-Echo-9062]

i think theyre playing mind game here with C9/FUR. subbing in a jungler that has never playing tier 1 is crazy from MVK. the only explanation is theyre holding back their cards for lower bracket. even with san san i still think they look pretty decent

[u/taikutsuu → u/Repulsive-Echo-9062]

It’s always possible something happened to gyuri (feeling unwell or sick somehow) or that they literally decided they can’t win this and put him on there to get the experience lol.

[u/TheSnekKing]

Ah the good old Elder for Nexus trade

Not a bad showing from MVK overall. But KC was just better. Would he interesting to see them go up against C9 if it does happen

[u/Rawdream → u/TheSnekKing]

Sadly for MVK, they only had some mechanics,

some good skirmishes and a few teamfights.

MVK lacked everything else, so they naturally lost in a pro match.

[u/Virtual-Can-5678]

I don’t get why people are acting like KC played badly despite winning 3-0. They played slowly, they controlled the games and won trough good macro, the last game is a great example of this.

I’d rather have them do that rather than over force things and lose just like C9 did.

[u/ImTheVayne]

CLASSIC EU BACKDOOR

[u/Bisketo]

The team with yorick losing to a splitpush base race with their Yorick grouped is down atrocious

[u/Rawdream → u/Bisketo]

No pro game knowledge and they play like solo q, anyone moving to cover any lane.

I don't remember if Yorick had TP when MVK didn't have inhibitor in bot, but instead of sending Yorick to clean lane, Lucian covered that, so KC just started the Baron.

In a different meta, they'd have just lost there, in this Season's metas, you can still make something in teamfights in any stage, if there's still damage.

[u/Spreathed_]

Classic trade elder for base

[u/Natalie_UwU_]

This is why hands are overrated

[u/Just_Anormal_Dude]

No idea what I watched in the rift or in terms of casting but I guess it was fun, lol.

I will be watching Mvk's future with great interest but sadly, this is not their year.

[u/cloudsfallen]

Weirdest series ever

[u/Street-Book-5565]

Get MVK a coach who can draft and this team would look a lot better. They got hands, they lack macro, but they are kinda promising tbh. Unfortunately KC just has better macro, better players, and better drafts.

[u/John_Jack_Reed]

Giga respect to MVK for trying to get draft advantages

[u/Sirhaddock98 → u/John_Jack_Reed]

I feel like they weren't really actually doing much to get draft advantages though, they picked "weird" things but they didn't really make sense in the context of KC's comps. You need to actually have some method to the madness for it to be respectable, otherwise it's just madness.

[u/KKilikk → u/John_Jack_Reed]

They are really living and dying by the Sofm Style of me and I wouldnt want it any other way. 

Considering they are the youngest team at Worlds and LCP third seed I think they are showing a lot of fight and style despite the 3-0.

[u/trying2hide]

I don't know man. If you're a KC fan you've won 2 series but can't be feeling good about what you're seeing.

[u/Maximum_Platypus_272 → u/trying2hide]

Completely the opposite. It has been two years in a row that KC starts every single international like a snail, and eventually ramps up. Them winning a very close series yesterday into completely annihilating MVK today is a very positive sign, especially after going the exact opposite route in LEC.

[u/AmadeusSalieri97 → u/Maximum_Platypus_272]

Also, I don't think people are very good at judging skill in a vacuum. They see a messy game between MVK/KC and think it's super low level but if it was the exact same gameplay between GenG/T1 it'd be an amazing display of skill.

I think KC is obviously worse than the top LCK/LPL teams, but I don't think these two games mean that they will just get steamrolled. As usual I would bet on some close games that end in throw and a 2-1 series that leads to elimination tbh.

[u/Objective_Offer2257 → u/trying2hide]

I think the laners are doing pretty good. Seems like Canna just disrespected a bit this series because he is like 2 lvls ahead of the enemy laner.

Yike on the other hand is sad to see. I think both series he hasn't made a single play that got his team ahead. The trundle game was fine.

Like, in this game again on the baron. You have ga and you are up so much. Your teammates can't really enter because of the annoying kog maw poke. Just send it on him and they ace, get baron and win the game there. In the jungle too. Canna nearly 1vs4 the enemy. Just sent it, even if they get away you at least get 2 flashes from the carries and it's unplayable for them after that.

He is playing like he is on a big losing spree. First couple games you lost and it wasn't even your fault, just shitty teammates that day, but then you start doubting your plays and actually start playing bad. It gets in your head. He plays like this at every international. I don't know how he can break it, probably needs 2 games in a row where he hardcarries against top tier jungler.

[u/Choice-Slight → u/trying2hide]

depends on their goals. if its to do well at worlds its cooked, if its just to make it out of playins who cares because I think C9 is just as bad

[u/Flesroy → u/Choice-Slight]

as eu third seed i'm very very happy if they just make it to swiss.

if i were a kc fan though, looking at the whole year, that would still be pretty meh i imagine.

[u/Mimidou3 → u/Choice-Slight]

C9 is def worse they lost to the worst form possible of KC (the one that lost 3-0 vs KOI)

[u/KKilikk → u/Choice-Slight]

Okay but where is KC even going from here next year? They are in such an odd spot roster wise.

[u/Routine_Outcome3493 → u/trying2hide]

I wouldn't say that. The win against C9 was a bit lucky but this series it felt like they were just playing safe and taking as little risks as possible because they knew they were just straight up better. They were completely in control.

[u/Carlzzone → u/trying2hide]

Considering how many people were favouring C9 over KC I wouldn’t say that

[u/PressureMinute9638 → u/trying2hide]

I mean, all is good as long as we are in the worlds. yes, it could have been better, but for now it's still 2 days alive

[u/smileysmiley123]

Certainly an ending of some time.

[u/Simmring]

they just ignore bot wave?

[u/Formymoney]

trade deal: you get elder dragon a powerful late game buff. I get your nexus

[u/Megazord552]

Jatt LMAO.

Busio pls come home.

[u/moumerino]

MVK just got a new fan in me. such a fun team to watch haha

[u/Tehoncomingstorm97]

KC be looking like they can't close a game with an enormous topside lead

[u/Megazord552 → u/Tehoncomingstorm97]

Why throw when you can play slow?

[u/ficoplati]

Why does this kog champ deal 5000 damage per auto with full ap items

[u/RukiMotomiya → u/ficoplati]

Kog'maw's W has an AP ratio on the percent health damage. If you're not stacking up some strong MR, it hits like a truck.

[u/ficoplati → u/RukiMotomiya]

Well I know that I'm just not sure it's a good design for a champ that has 50 billion range ult to also have 50 billion range attacks that deal that much damage.

Xayah literally couldn't get in range to auto

[u/Omnilatent → u/ficoplati]

Cause his W has max%hp AP scaling

[u/Sorry-Resolution570 → u/ficoplati]

W onhit applied double with dnd this build has been making me mad in soloQ the whole year im still wondering when the kog nerf arrive

[u/Ajp_iii]

mvk had a kog with zero peel or support against viktor, j4, kennen, rakan and kc didnt focus kog once in the fights. also kog should have like 8 deaths this game in sidelanes.

[u/Bisketo]

KT Elder Drake

[u/stabidistabstab]

Won 6 mins slower than first game, close one!

[u/RukiMotomiya]

This is the kind of game that makes you think of both teams in a worse light.

[u/BigGlow9211]

The MVK hype died real fast.

[u/guytherando]

Now im wondering how good TSW are because they ran thru this team way harder than KC did

[u/No_bad_intention]

Classic Sofm's garbage draft, MVK got giga gapped in draft every single game in the LCP for the last 2 years but nothing changed

[u/Friendly_douchebag]

Don't let this make you think KC is a good team

If MVK macro is at least decent then KC is doom.

Like how the hell can you lose a baron at 7k lead. KC is lucky most of them got out alive and only lose baron.

[u/GodEren]

Respect to MVK, very fun team and actually they can beat C9 on a very good day. I think KC, when they are confident, are a bit too good mechanically for them (except Yike), that doesnt fit well their aggresive gameplay.

[u/Fast_Spell9717 → u/GodEren]

You mean they can beat FUR in a rematch on a good day, right?