r/genewolfe • • Dec 23 '23

Gene Wolfe Author Influences, Recommendations, and "Correspondences" Master List

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I have recently been going through as many Wolfe interviews as I can find. In these interviews, usually only after being prompted, he frequently listed other authors who either influenced him, that he enjoyed, or who featured similar themes, styles, or prose. Other times, such authors were brought up by the interviewer or referenced in relation to Wolfe. I started to catalogue these mentions just for my own interests and further reading but thought others may want to see it as well and possibly add any that I missed.

I divided it up into three sections: 1) influences either directly mentioned by Wolfe (as influences) or mentioned by the interviewer as influences and Wolfe did not correct them; 2) recommendations that Wolfe enjoyed or mentioned in some favorable capacity; 3) authors that "correspond" to Wolfe in some way (thematically, stylistically, similar prose, etc.) even if they were not necessarily mentioned directly in an interview. There is some crossover among the lists, as one would assume, but I am more interested if I left anyone out rather than if an author is duplicated. Also, if Wolfe specifically mentioned a particular work by an author I have tried to include that too.

EDIT: This list is not final, as I am still going through resources that I can find. In particular, I still have several audio interviews to listen to.

Influences

  • G.K. Chesterton
  • Marks’ Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers (never sure if this was a jest)
  • Jack Vance
  • Proust
  • Faulkner
  • Borges
  • Nabokov
  • Tolkien
  • CS Lewis
  • Charles Williams
  • David Lindsay (A Voyage to Arcturus)
  • George MacDonald (Lilith)
  • RA Lafferty
  • HG Wells
  • Lewis Carroll
  • Bram Stoker (* added after original post)
  • Dickens (* added after original post; in one interview Wolfe said Dickens was not an influence but elsewhere he included him as one, so I am including)
  • Oz Books (* added after original post)
  • Mervyn Peake (* added after original post)
  • Ursula Le Guin (* added after original post)
  • Damon Knight (* added after original post)
  • Arthur Conan Doyle (* added after original post)
  • Robert Graves (* added after original post)

Recommendations

  • Kipling
  • Dickens
  • Wells (The Island of Dr. Moreau)
  • Algis Budrys (Rogue Moon)
  • Orwell
  • Theodore Sturgeon ("The Microcosmic God")
  • Poe
  • L Frank Baum
  • Ruth Plumly Thompson
  • Tolkien (Lord of the Rings)
  • John Fowles (The Magus)
  • Le Guin
  • Damon Knight
  • Kate Wilhelm
  • Michael Bishop
  • Brian Aldiss
  • Nancy Kress
  • Michael Moorcock
  • Clark Ashton Smith
  • Frederick Brown
  • RA Lafferty
  • Nabokov (Pale Fire)
  • Robert Coover (The Universal Baseball Association)
  • Jerome Charyn (The Tar Baby)
  • EM Forster
  • George MacDonald
  • Lovecraft
  • Arthur Conan Doyle
  • Neil Gaiman
  • Harlan Ellison
  • Kathe Koja
  • Patrick O’Leary
  • Kelly Link
  • Andrew Lang (Adventures Among Books)
  • Michael Swanwick ("Being Gardner Dozois")
  • Peter Straub (editor; The New Fabulists)
  • Douglas Bell (Mojo and the Pickle Jar)
  • Barry N Malzberg
  • Brian Hopkins
  • M.R. James
  • William Seabrook ("The Caged White Wolf of the Sarban")
  • Jean Ingelow ("Mopsa the Fairy")
  • Carolyn See ("Dreaming")
  • The Bible
  • Herodotus’s Histories (Rawlinson translation)
  • Homer (Pope translations)
  • Joanna Russ (* added after original post)
  • John Crowley (* added after original post)
  • Cory Doctorow (* added after original post)
  • John M Ford (* added after original post)
  • Paul Park (* added after original post)
  • Darrell Schweitzer (* added after original post)
  • David Zindell (* added after original post)
  • Ron Goulart (* added after original post)
  • Somtow Sucharitkul (* added after original post)
  • Avram Davidson (* added after original post)
  • Fritz Leiber (* added after original post)
  • Chelsea Quinn Yarbro (* added after original post)
  • Dan Knight (* added after original post)
  • Ellen Kushner (Swordpoint) (* added after original post)
  • C.S.E Cooney (Bone Swans) (* added after original post)
  • John Cramer (Twister) (* added after original post)
  • David Drake
  • Jay Lake (Last Plane to Heaven) (* added after original post)
  • Vera Nazarian (* added after original post)
  • Thomas S Klise (* added after original post)
  • Sharon Baker (* added after original post)
  • Brian Lumley (* added after original post)

"Correspondences"

  • Dante
  • Milton
  • CS Lewis
  • Joanna Russ
  • Samuel Delaney
  • Stanislaw Lem
  • Greg Benford
  • Michael Swanwick
  • John Crowley
  • Tim Powers
  • Mervyn Peake
  • M John Harrison
  • Paul Park
  • Darrell Schweitzer
  • Bram Stoker (*added after original post)
  • Ambrose Bierce (* added after original post)

r/genewolfe • • 18d ago

Humble Book Bundle: The Ultimate Gene Wolfe Library by Tor Books

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This looks like an amazing deal (and it supports charity)!

Edit: It seems region locked to US only.

EDIT 2: Of course you shouldn't try to circumvent geographic restrictions because it's against Humble's terms of service. If you're not in the US, you shouldn't use a VPN to connect to the US first then create a US-based account. You should not then try to place an order where you will notice that it won't let you pay (because you're on a VPN), so you should not then turn off the VPN and connect to the site regularly (but with your alternate email), and then notice that you can complete the purchase (don't try paying with Paypal). These are all things I did not do and I would suggest you not try.


r/genewolfe • • 1h ago

The Mayteras of Sun Street illustration

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Mint, Marble and Rose are here! Now we are approaching to completing the whole main cast of the Long Sun, i think we miss Horn and Nettle, Dr Crane, Remora and Quetzal, Willet, Hammerstone and Incus, the Ayutamento and then the Triunvingantis.


r/genewolfe • • 11h ago

Chenille and Auk (and the Talus) in the tunnels NSFW

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Here a piece of a scene from book of the long sun, Chenille in the tunnels i would like to create some other pieces like this.


r/genewolfe • • 4h ago

A Gene Wolfe Unpublished Libretto Theory

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In the 1984 interview with Chris Merrick ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMsq9noxBOg&t=3316s ) Wolfe said he was "supposed to be working on a libretto" for an opera by composer/SF author Somtow Sucharitkul. This opera was based on The Death of Doctor Island and was to be called Doctor Island's Death. (This is per Springfield Independent Dec. 27, 1984. https://www.virginiachronicle.com/?a=d&d=SFI19841227.1.10&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN---------- )

In the 1985 MiniCon program book lists this opera as "In Progress"

In progress : Doctor Island's Death, an opera with text by Gene Wolfe; and the updated version of Star Maker. https://fanac.org/conpubs/Minicon/Minicon%2018/Program%20Book.pdf

Alas, Somtow didn't produce any operas in the 1980s, presumably due to the composition block that the news article says led him to pivot to writing science fiction (published as SP Somtow). So, the music for this libretto was never composed.

Gene Wolfe however said he never suffered from writer's block as a review of his publication timeline confirms.

This implies that somewhere out there is an uncollected libretto by Gene Wolfe. Could this be in the papers donated to Northern Illinois University? Or was this libretto published and it escaped my notice?

EDIT: Somtow wrote in praise of Sword of the Lictor in Dec 1981 'Fantasy Newsletter'. www.enotes.com/topics/gene-rodman-wolfe/criticism/somtow-sucharitkul


r/genewolfe • • 19h ago

I just finished Long Sun - I have no idea what happened.

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When I read BotNS while often the symbolism or analogies were lost on me, I usually understood was Severian was doing or happening to him moment to moment.

But for the last third of Exodus, I did not understand what was happening at all, or what Silk was upset about.

I know that Auk and crew left (and went to green?) and that Horn and crew left and went to Blue - even though they were originally going to green but the ship overruled them.

Other than that, I was pretty lost, the time jumps with no context, and Silk constantly assuming we would know what he was talking about - it all went over my head.

I've heard some people say they prefer Long Sun over New Sun, and for the first three books I could understand where they were coming from (even if I enjoyed New Sun more personally), but man, I just don't know what happened!

I have not listened to the Alzabo Soup episodes past Chapter 5 of Long Sun yet, so perhaps that will help clear things up for me.

I also was not clear where the famous typo near the end was in relation to Mint and Marble and Rose.


r/genewolfe • • 1d ago

The Best Possible Adaptation of BotNS

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Someone get Genndy Tartakovsky a copy of the Book of the New Sun. Imagine the series done in the same animation style of Samurai Jack.


r/genewolfe • • 2d ago

The book "Peace", peace, and Faulkner

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I read Wolfe's book Peace about 10 years ago. It really left an impression on me, but my memory of it is hazy, and I've been meaning to do a re-read. Anyway, this morning I was reading the book Becoming Faulkner by Philip Weinstein, and I came across this quote from a university lecture by Faulkner. A questioner asks about finding "peace in the heart". Faulkner responds:

I'm inclined to think that the only peace man knows is—is he says, "Why good gracious, yesterday I was happy." [...]That maybe peace is—is only a condition in retrospect, when the—the subconscious has—has gotten rid of the gnats and the tacks and the broken glass in experience and has left only the peaceful, pleasant things. That was peace. Maybe peace is not "is," but "was."

Does this remind any of you Wolfe fan's of anything? I immediately thought of the book Peace. It seems to me that Faulkner is describing a huge theme of Wolfe's book. The narrator is looking back through his life, trying to find a narrative that gives him a sense of peace, but this is only achievable by "getting rid of the gnats and tacks and broken glass" - that is, all the bad stuff that he feels guilt about. Of course, in the book, the gnats and tacks and broken glass bleed through if you read closely enough (I will say again that I don't remember a lot of the details, so this is just based on my general memory).

I guess some differences are that Faulkner, it seems, is talking about finding peace in life, while Wolfe seems to be exploring the idea of finding peace after death (as in, how is it ever possible to "rest in peace"?) Still, they both see the idea of peace from a skeptical and ironic standpoint. There really is no such think as peace except through denial and distortion. This is actually a big theme of the book Becoming Faulkner - that traditional, retrospective narrative (including biography of an author) can only make sense of an otherwise chaotic and unruly jumble of reality by imposing a false structure; and that it is that impossibility that Faulkner sought to sit with or highlight or present (at least, that's my take so-far, reading the book).

I did a little research on the publication of this quote. Faulkner gave the talk in 1957 at the University of Virginia. The University of Virginia Press published the transcript in Faulkner in the University, in 1959, and the book was republished in 1965 but Vintage. Ten years later, Wolfe published Peace. And let's face it, isn't that a book we'd expect Wolfe to have read at some point?

I think it would be difficult to prove a direct connection, but I personally think that, given the timing, and very similar themes, there's a strong chance that the title of Peace derives directly from this Faulkner quote. I've done some googling and as far as I can tell, no one has made this connection (although obviously I might have missed something). I'm curious what you all think.

By the way, I included a link to the referenced recording and transcript [edited this sentence for clarity; and a few other spots for typos]


r/genewolfe • • 2d ago

I have about 200 pages left in Exodus From The Long Sun. Sick of tunnels might DNF.

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I really can’t take it anymore with the tunnels, mint, silk wandering around looking at metallurgy. It feels like there is no urgency and I’m coming towards the back end of the last book. Auk and the fliers interest me but we get 10 pages on them then it back to the tunnels. Please talk me out of stopping here and listening to Alzabo soup to hear the ending.


r/genewolfe • • 2d ago

Can I read Long Sun before Urth?

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So, four years ago I read Book of the New Sun and fell in love with it. I had decided I'd check out Urth after my reread. Two years later, I began my reread but due to some unforeseen circumstances, I couldn't complete my reread. I reread all but the last volume. Now another two years have passed and I feel like reading something character focused and comedic. I've heard such things said about Long Sun and am inclined to start reading it but I was wondering if it's necessary to read Urth before-hand. Or maybe I should reread BotNS and then read Urth because I don't have the freshest memory of BotNS atm?


r/genewolfe • • 2d ago

Alastair Reynolds on Gene Wolfe and Tim Powers

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This is the link to the timestamp where he begins to discuss in length some of the books of Wolfe and Powers. He also talks about The Book of the New Sun and The Anubis Gates very briefly earlier in the video in the 'Feudal Future subgenre' and the 'Permafrost/time travel' chapters respectively. The whole interview is worth watching.


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

The Hyacinth (illustration) and the question

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a new illustration (i think it will be the last for this week) where i try to illustrate Hycinth (Giacinto). The question, now, could be easy to spot. I saw some theory about Hyacinth, the male theory and the male chem. Now when i read the long sun i dind't give those theory much credit, but, at the end of the short sun, with alla the facts e new info (the laugh of hyacinth in blood villa, the twenty year of marriage, and much more) i give more credit to the theory of Hyacinth as a male, possibily a triunviganti male spy, what do you think? Expose your idea!


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

Blood and Musk illustration and a question!

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Another Illustration! This time Blood and Musk togheter with Aquila. Now i think the next will be Hyacinth, but in the meantime i find the time to draw her, i will ask to you a question: Do you think that Musk was possessed by Hierax? i think is heavly implied, but i want to hear your thoughts!


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

The Megatherians and Short Sun Spoiler

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So recently i finished reading short sun, and one annoying thing i've found is far less discussion of it than the other works in the solar cycle. I've read up on some theories and perspectives and personally come to believe the idea that Green is Urth, the Neighbours are descendents of the green men who have ascended to a highier level and the inhumi are atleast one of the lower life forms who will become the hierogramates (also that the whole thing takes place in a previous cosmic cycle to new sun). The thing is i've not seen much discussion of the Mother/Scylla in this whole situation, so i just started thinking of what i think is going on there (tho im sure others have had similar, better made theories on it).

I believe the mother and great Scylla are literally the same entity, this is think many people agree with. I also believe the gods of the whorl will eventually become the megatherians of Urth. Firstly: the Godlings. The gods are creating giant humanoid bodies for them to inhabit in the whorl, this seems to match with Baldanders (who seems pretty similar to Pig) aswell as the Undines and Scylla. The Megatherians also are motivated to enslave humanity and the stars, in the same way typhons family did so before. The gods of mainframe also seem to be transforming from simply mortal rulers into actually more divine inteligences because that is how they see themselves, when Scylla dreamwalks with silkhorn her form is literally monstrous even tho she was just a normal human before being before being uploaded. Typhon also shows psyonic abilities and the gods of mainframe can enter peoples minds, just like the megatherians send dreams and enslave people.

One question is then how did the whorl go back in time. It could be that the whorl is a spaceship that travels outside of time, but we see no evidence of this, they couldve just arrived in the future because of relativity. Then i started thinking about seawrack and the deal silkhorn makes with Scylla. The mother clearly sent seawrack to horn and in the end she goes with him to the Whorl. She also really wanted to go to the Whorl in the Pajarocu lander. Could it be the Mother wanted to contact the beings who will become her and her kin, and teach them how to return to the past to stop the new sun and allow them to rule unchallenged? Of course it begs the question of how the Mother is alive, but firstly she is on blue instead of green (that couldve been made with another planet in the solar system) and also she looks like a large undine and we see atleast one of them survived the coming of the new sun. (We have no idea how the megatherians traveled back in time, but we do know they are able to and did, so the lack of a method doesnt go against the idea.)


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

Just finished Urth, mind is reeling a little. Spoiler

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Mainly around the eidolon issue, but also other things like the role of juturna/the other underwater people and their seeming command over or existence outside traditional time.

Eidolon stuff: So the reason there could be multiple dead severians (ie on tzadkiels ship and as apu punchau at least) is because eidolons are (composed of anima or the soul?) greater than the material, so an eidolon can become a physical body if it just absorbs energy? Or is it discreet time-loops? I cant exactly wrap my head around if any of the discreet events we are told about are supposed to be part of one contained time loop or if alternate/mutually exclusive timelines are happening continuously such as with Master Ash.

Juturna stuff: Juturna helps severian throughout, and we are told near the end of urth that she only saves severian at the start of shadow because severian at the end of urth told her she did (they exist outside time then? or in some similar way to the hierodules maybe?) Then why do they seemingly oppose the coming of the new sun, is it again a problem of branching timelines? Them acting as "anti hierodules" in a way? This is getting really rambly but i have a lot of points of confusion. I feel we are told to look beyond "good and evil" related to juturna (and by extension abaia and them?) Idk! ​

Timeline stuff: If it really is discrete timelines how do you avoid the loss of meaning? Like if severian saves urth in one timeline but theres also infinate timelines where he doesnt or where someone else did or whatever, and the one where severian did he only did because thats the timeline where he did, we are following that one because thats the one where it happens and all others would make for an unsatsifying story, doesnt it start feeling a little hollow? Surely without actual agency it feels hollow?

idk these are just my immediate thoughts after finishing urth. Wawawoowa


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

Auk Illustration

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as i promissed here Auk from Book of the Long Sun, for now, i have planned to do Hyacinth, Blood and Musk, and Mayera Mint and another drawing of Chenille down in the tunnel as some of you suggested. Feel free to add other suggestion if you like, i will love to add more illustration to help viusualize the Solar Cycle!


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

The first 100 pages of Calde of the Long Sun

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The Unsuspecting Badass Award goes to: Maytera Mint!


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

Latro in the Mist Discussion on I Might Believe in Fairies podcast

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Here is a discussion I did with Aaron Irber on his podcast I felt might interest some people. His show covers lot of great writers like Tim Powers. There are two episodes, one.covering each book.

https://aaronirber.substack.com/p/gene-wolfes-soldier-of-the-mist-ft?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

https://aaronirber.substack.com/p/gene-wolfes-soldier-of-arete-ft-marc?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web


r/genewolfe • • 3d ago

Shadows of the New Sun: Wolfe on Writing/Writers on Wolfe availability

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Does anyone know where I can find this? The google play store says it’s not available in my country (US) and any hardcopies I can find are $50+.

I’d love to read the second half for Wolfe’s essays on writing, but $50 for the single copy might be a bit steep for me at the moment.


r/genewolfe • • 4d ago

Chenille From Book of the Long Sun

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simple ad that, i drew Chenille, maybe i will do Auk, and maybe Hyacinth, if you want you give me some suggestion of which character you would like to see!


r/genewolfe • • 4d ago

SPOILER! New Illustration of the Short Sun Spoiler

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I saw some intrest in some drawing of the Long and Short Sun, so i decided to sketch one of the final moments of the Short Sun, when the Rajan realise the truth. Poor Silk!


r/genewolfe • • 4d ago

What is the equivalent reading order for the sun books?

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I'm thinking about starting the series and I want to know what the options are in terms of reading order.


r/genewolfe • • 4d ago

Shadow of the Torturer — Gene Wolfe

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r/genewolfe • • 5d ago

Was Horn really 5” 2’?

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In Michael Andre-Driussi’s companion piece Gate of Horn, Book of Silk, Horn’s adult height is given as “three cubits and two hands,” or 62 inches.

Of course, there is the complicated matter of narrator bias (“So it appears that the character Horn was given a more heroic stature in TBotLS”), but 5’ 2” seems remarkably below average, such that it would be acknowledged by other characters in the same way as Pig’s gigantism or the fliers’ diminutive proportions.

Aside from, I believe, Hide describing his father as “stocky,” nothing in the text implies Horn was so small. Assuming Silkhorn is accurate in estimating the original Horn’s height, what is the significance, if any?

EDIT, from the “Short Sun Half” entry on Horn:

>> Horn's adult height was three cubits and two hands, "a good deal less than it is now" (V, chap. 9, 196). (3×18 inches) + (2×4 inches) = 62 inches = 5' 2". This is in contrast to the image given of young
Horn in The Book of the Long Sun, where he was depicted as the tallest boy at the palaestra, such that tall Silk noticed that "Horn's clear, dark eyes were nearly level with his" (I, chap. I, I5). So it appears that the character Horn was given a more heroic stature in The Book of the Long Sun.


r/genewolfe • • 5d ago

Question after LotLS regarding Maytera rose

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I was waiting for this to be answered in Lake, but I just finished. In the scene where Marble walks in on Rose, does the context imply she was possessed by Scylla up until Chenille’s possession at the shrine?

I tried googling and avoiding further spoilers but the auto AI response definitely revealed something I didn’t want to know yet :/