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Doctrine/Policy October 2026 General Conference: Saturday 10:00a Discussion Thread

How to listen:


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Speakers:

Name other notes my summary
conducting: Henry Eyring
hymn: Go Forth with Faith
prayer: Steven Shumway
vote for top officials: Todd Christofferson Rod Serling: submitted for your approval.
Gerrit Gong
Tamara Runia
hymn: If I listen with my heart
Gérald Caussé won position among 15 by knowing where their cash was hidden
Vai Sikahema Lavell's kickoff return threat
Kevin Hathaway
hymn: Called to Serve
Ulisses Soares
Sean Douglas
hymn: My Eye is on the Sparrow
Todd Christofferson Brother of Wade Simple anti-gambling message. The house always wins. Online gambling targets people to bet more, etc. A bit tone deaf with respect to tithing being a gamble. Only those who pay their dues will get into the mormon heaven. Or not.
hymn: To God Be The Glory
prayer: Sergio Vargas

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u/scaredanxiousunsure 14d ago

Is it just me, or was the story about the family crossing the Pacific in extremely dangerous conditions to see an apostle an extremely vile story?

Any doctor - or normal person - could have told them not to go on a super dangerous sea voyage with little children. But they chose to do it anyway, because seeing an apostle was more important than their baby's life. And the baby paid the price of his life because his parents prioritized the cult.

This is the kind of story that negates anyone who says that the church is nice and good but doesn't necessarily have to be completely true. If people are sacrificing their children for this religion, and being lauded for it in general corporate fuckcast, then the religion had better be 100% true. Those people gave up the time they could have spent with their son in this life, in exchange for the promise of eternity with their son, which is what the MFMC purports to guarantee.

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Spot on. Eyring gave a talk aboit the Teton dam breaking and how they were separated from their children because of road closures. Eyring's wife was mad at him for not worrying and he said we came from the temple they will be fine. That is horrific parent training.

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u/Additional-Cake-3588 14d ago

My parents were at the temple when my babysitter raped me. It is such false thinking.

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u/scaredanxiousunsure 14d ago

That's one of the worst things I've ever heard. I'm so sorry.

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u/Just_A_Human_Dude Apostate 14d ago

And people wonder why I blame the church for my complete and utter lack of self worth

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u/vanillacreek 14d ago

We are assuming this story actually happened. If it did, irresponsible; however, we may discover later it was all made up. It is common for this stuff to be embellished by GAs.

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u/Sea_Button_3616 14d ago

Lol Elder Gong saying People are upset at small temples (instead of large) and reminding us not to worry about if a temple is large or small. They should have accepted small temple and steeple for Fairview if that's the case.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Gambling is terrible, but I cannot ignore the irony of a Billon-dollar corporation that DEMANDS 10% of the income of its members, is trying to preach financial responsibility

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

The church will not give members a dime to help them in times of need. Especially not in old age.

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u/chewbaccataco 14d ago

I agree on the gambling. But even if I gambled away 10% of my income every paycheck that's still far better than giving it to the cult. At least there would be entertainment value and a chance of a return, however small. Still more than the cult will ever provide.

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u/Olimlah2Anubis 14d ago

Giving them your money is being responsible. That way god can bless you. /s

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u/JustDontDelve 14d ago

While I think the topic is good for ANYONE, and thus have no problem with them addressing gambling in GC, I think it’s from purely self interest that they’re doing so.

Broke gamblers can’t pay tithes to the church, and can’t start families 6mos after their missions when they’re already addicted to gambling and unable to save money to establish and grow a family aka next gen tithepayers. Maybe I’m too cynical lol.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

I gambled a lot in the past. 10% of my income. I was told that if I gave my money, I was GAURANTEED a win. I didn't win

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

Gong: [size doesn't matter]

Lawyers in Fairview perk up.

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u/No-Tonight-5298 14d ago

As someone from Texas, they were anal about the size for what was like a year lol

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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 14d ago

GC is no where near as inflammatory as it used to be. I want Oaks and crew to be as offensive as they can be. Of course the marketing and social engineering consultants have sanitized the talks to be as bland as white bread that isn't authentic enough to grow moldy.

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

It's an artform to stand there and say nothing, disguised in a hypnotic monotone.

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u/given2fly_ Jesus wants me for a Kokaubeam 14d ago

"Close quote..."

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u/PcHound2 14d ago

I hate Oaks! When he was president of BYU, there was an electro shock coversion therapy program. He lied about it years later.

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u/undrtow484 14d ago

It’s gotten so damn boring and redundant. How many times can you say the same boring thing in a slightly different way?

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u/Few-Mail3887 Ensign Peak = Antithesis of Christianity 14d ago

Oh hey I forgot this was a thing today. Happy to have reached that point.

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u/Sharklover588374784 14d ago

"My grandparents had to bury their child who died of dehydration on the voyage to listen to an apostle" what a horrifically bizarre flex

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Suffering is integral to this damn religion I swear

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u/VeritasOmnia 14d ago

Especially when they are going harding on abortion in Idaho at the moment.

A slow painful death by dehydration of a child. 😇

Abortion of a fetus. 👹

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Friendly reminder the church has enough cashflow they could easily fund the entire missionary program, but instead they still require missionaries and their families pay.

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

No. Custodians. Ever.

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u/Just_A_Human_Dude Apostate 14d ago

My brother lost way too much weight during his mission because they refused to give him enough money to eat like at all for his area.

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u/scaredanxiousunsure 14d ago

Oh good, I'm excited for Christofferson to speak. Maybe he will talk about how it is important to report CSA and protect children?

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

If you think he will, then you'll get good odds at a sports book. ;)

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u/narrauko 14d ago

Todd, if recreational gambling can lead a spiritually weaker person towards sinful behavior, what does letting a sexual predator go free lead towards? 🤔

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Well, THAT doesn't affect the Church's bottom line so, it doesn't lead to a loss in profits at least!

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u/StrongInvestment6601 14d ago

Don't complain about how small and simple YOUR Temple is .... but YES we SHALL spend upward of $2B in renovating the SLC Temple, etc - have a 6 month open house - and invite the whole world to visit and marvel !? 😱

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

The church's colonialism around the pacific was really awful. Just saying.

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

Colonialization is on full display at Polynesian Cultural Center. First contact deaths left remaining population vulnerable.

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Hawaii was terrible. Smallpox spreaders.

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Once again, baby mortality presented as heartwarming 

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

jarring.

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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 14d ago

“This General conference is sponsored by death”

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

Also the letters "F," "T" and "C" and the numbers millions and billions.

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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 14d ago

Yay it’s that time of year again where I get to chat with all you guys

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u/Smol-Vehvi Help I'm stuck at BYU 14d ago

This is my first conference as an PIMO! I'm weirdly looking forward to this lol.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Welcome!! You are among friends here :)

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

OPPOSED!

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u/scaredanxiousunsure 14d ago

Yay, it kicks right off with Gong guilt tripping everyone for not going to the temple enough. And also, an advertisement to tell everyone to buy temple clothes from MFMC! Of course, it has to start right off with telling everyone how great the temple is - the cultiest, most evil, most distressing part of the church, that completely exploded my faith.

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u/Sea_Button_3616 14d ago

And saying you can only find peace in the temple.

I mean, maybe you'll nap, if you're not having a panic attack about listening to all the words and thinking them all exactly since were taught ordinances must be done exactly (baptism toe or hair floats, misspoken sacrament prayers, being shamed at the veil by the grumpy lady having to tell me over and over in the quietest whisper when I have problems understanding speech, especially that ear).

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

Runia: don't be jealous of other people's lives. 

Caveat: if you left the church,  look how much your life sucks compared to members. 

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u/Just_A_Human_Dude Apostate 14d ago

It is very weird seeing the blatant manipulation and looking over to see tears in my mom's eyes

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

I remember feeling the same way. The brain-washing is POWERFUL

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Indoctrination is powerful.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

I was a former temple worker. It's boring as hell

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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 14d ago

Best part of it was getting to go home

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

I hate Gong because of:

One. He counts everything.  Two. He verbally indicates what number he is on.  Tnree. He speaks like Mr Rogers while dragging down people to hell.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago edited 14d ago

It's fascinating that Elder Gong felt it necessary to call out members who complain about the size of their temple. This says so much about the culture of the church, both from the perspective of leadership and also that of members.

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

Don't worry,  I'm sure that anecdote is total fiction. 

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u/PcHound2 14d ago

To make things worse, General Conference is on my birthday! October 4th! My family always valued GC over my birthday!

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

EWWWW!!! So sorry man :( Happy early birthday!!!

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Your reminder that, culturally, fasting didn't exclude water; that's a uniquely Mormon take

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

WHAT??? No WONDER people can fast for so long in other cultures

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Also known as hunger beg.

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

Douglas: [...]

About missions, my advice to any young person is to watch Heretic before signing up for knocking on strangers' doors.

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u/BillNyeForPrez 14d ago

To be fair, I would’ve gladly been murdered by Hugh Grant during that 10 month stretch without a hot shower or AC.

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u/Cooper-Pine 14d ago

yeah, that movie is wild.

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u/drtule 14d ago

"Complaining about the size and ornateness of a temple to an apostle"

Things that didn't happen for 500

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u/Just_A_Human_Dude Apostate 14d ago

Life not going well? have you considered that it is actually going perfectly? No? Well you just don't have enough faith then!

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u/Sea_Button_3616 14d ago

You get exactly what you need. Oh, so that person NEEDED to be abused. This war HAD to happen. For education.  Got it.

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u/PcHound2 14d ago

Man, this is just a six hour funeral. Depressing speeches and lots of crying.

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Visitors often wonder why mormon meetings are full of sadness.

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u/Cooper-Pine 14d ago

XD six hour funeral! I mean that is how this first session is going.

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u/ImOnlyHalfOk 14d ago

What’s with all the sad stories today 😭

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

"Life is sad, that's why you need to the church. Now pay your tithing, damn it!"

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u/No-Reindeer-4384 14d ago

“buy your own temple clothes”
shameless plug much??

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u/windriver32 Ex-Mormon Episcopalian 14d ago

Did someone actually say that? I remember, even when fully believing, thinking that was such BS. And the renting of clothes for money in the actual temple is such BS. Such an antithesis of anything Jesus taught.

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u/No-Reindeer-4384 14d ago

yep. elder gong, who was the first to speak. totally goes against christ’s teachings, i agree! it’s insane that members don’t see it.

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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 14d ago

If the church was like those YouTubers:

“Make sure to get our merch guys it’s absolutely fire”

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u/Cooper-Pine 14d ago

He was called to be a bishop on his wedding day, guy couldn't catch a break, that sucks.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

"Can't you see I'm a little busy!"

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

The church was gambling with the idea that their clone companies would never be discovered.

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

A shell game. literally.

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u/PcHound2 14d ago

Oh god! The relief society voice!

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u/Aggressive-Presence9 14d ago

Hers is not the worst. Camille Johnson has the baby voice of all baby voices.

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u/hyalophora_gloveri 14d ago

Condolences to all the kids with birthdays on General Conference. My brother doesnt really get to do anything today

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u/ako-si-greg 14d ago

It seems that Mormon “theology” likes the concept of Jesus and the Father as separate beings partially because it forces Jesus to be “completely obedient” to the Father, instead of treating that unity as a shared divine nature that you’d see in traditional Christianity.

And then the church uses that to tell members they need to be “completely obedient” to the church.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

LET'S GO GAMBLING!!!

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u/Lanky_Feature_4586 14d ago

Stop gambling your tithing away!

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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 14d ago

Ok I will say even as an ex member fuck gambling. On YouTube or watching sports it’s just gambling gambling gambling

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u/Sharklover588374784 14d ago

Never in my life have I been more tempted to gamble (I cant believe of all the societal problems he chose to talk about, he chose to talk about f****** gambling)

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

Global warming. Nada. Wars and threat of worldwide destruction. Nada.

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u/Sharklover588374784 14d ago

Domestic violence, physical and verbal abuse, sexual abuse-- nada

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u/Careful_Silver_9647 14d ago

I also agree with this talk, BUT it does bring up a bit of a worry in my mind....We haven't really heard strong anti-gambling talks in conference since i was young (70's and 80's). Is this a sign that Oaks will be retrenching back to many of the things that we were so worried about in the 70's and 80's (no face cards, no caffeine, etc.) The fact that Christofferson referenced an Oaks talk in his talk is also concerning. When Nelson was prophet, so many GAs would reference Nelson's talks in their talks...it felt very culty.

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u/Even_Subject_4187 14d ago

Sports gambling has been a bigger topic recently beyond the mormon church. Im guessing this has more to do with that

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u/frysjelly BYUI and my mission gave me PTSD 🙃 14d ago

Even top athletes are coming out against gambling. I guess it's time the church follow the trend

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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. 14d ago

Why do I torment myself with this stupidity every six months?

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

If you can escape, you should. Go outside, enjoy some fresh air!

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u/Even_Subject_4187 14d ago

How many deaths are we at now?

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u/Just_A_Human_Dude Apostate 14d ago

I would love to see a count for each conference. I'm curious to how it would compare from conference to conference

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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 14d ago

So far I'm ok with this talk. As long as he doesn't bring up "worthiness" this is a surprisingly timely talk.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago edited 14d ago

May we be better people by realizing the hypocrisy of church leadership and learning from their wickedness. Is my prayer, in the sacred name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Ramen.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Broadly speaking, it was a good talk. Gambling has become a real problem recently. But I cannot help see some ironies when a church leader complains about people trying to get "something for nothing." I mean, that's the whole business model of the church.

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

People risking it all. 

For a fake church. 

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u/Sea_Button_3616 14d ago

Called to Serve seems a strange choice for a mid-session hymn, since it doesn't line up with the topics of the talks.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Gotta wake everyone up.

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u/_emma_stoned_ 14d ago

Oh shit, is that today?

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u/NoMoreAtPresent 14d ago

No survivors… well, except for the gnat

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u/narrauko 14d ago

Why can't the multi-billion dollar corporation provide ceremonial clothing for their members?

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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 14d ago

Give a man temple clothes and you clothe him for an hour. Teach him to buy temple clothes and you save on overhead expense and can make a small profit on the clothes

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

What up my fellow sinnnerssssss

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Q: Do we worship in the temple, or do we worship the temple itself?

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u/narrauko 14d ago

Sure seems like the temple itself

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

The top officials should issue baseball-card with their bland faces and a separate sets for their concrete golden idols. Pokemon: catch them all.

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u/Sea_Button_3616 14d ago edited 14d ago

It's weird that Soares quoted so many people about fasting but didn't quote what Jesus said (Do it privately, don't let people know about it). In fact, he just called it an outward show/expression of charity.

(Someone talked to me in the middle, so if he did actually quote Jesus, then I missed it)

ETA I always forget my ETA's. Added the final parenthetical statement and also for clarity throughout.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Boys: Mission is required

Girls: OPTIONAL!! Pray about it!!

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u/Maleficent_Tap3866 14d ago

And pray until you get the right answer

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u/ako-si-greg 14d ago

We could create a new anti-gambling commission, call it the “Kirtland anti-Gambling Society,” to hearken back to the church’s storied history with financial responsibility.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

I'm not saying they're perfect, but in general I like the women's talks better than those of the men.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Sheesh this conference is an absolute massacre. Amazing there's anyone left to tell these stories!

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u/zjelkof 14d ago

I gamble in the stock market nearly every day, and so does the Church!

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

I love y'all. You made these two hours fly by

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Those poor pioneers. I used to be inspired by their sacrifice, and now, I just feel so sad for the needless deaths and suffering they endured following a cult leader

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

Hathaway: [car crash]

Death, injury, and disease set up to be this conference's theme.

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u/Jealous_Pool_9514 Apostate 14d ago

Anyone else think that’s sad that guys grandparents sailed just to see an apostle and their baby died? Kinda fucked up that God killed their baby due to the storm when they were making huge efforts to see his annointed /s

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

This is a good talk. The sort of talk that should be given. Quite a contrast vs everything else said this morning.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Great to be with you all again. Here’s hoping church leaders’ hearts have been softened and they will leave us alone. I’m not holding my breath, though.

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

On the verge of crying while sharing testimony makes it more spiritual, right?

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

It ain't real if you ain't crying

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u/theivyangel Apostate 14d ago

the prophet for nearly 200 years now

He's still alive? Have I missed something? Lol

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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. 14d ago

100% wrong on gambling for entertainment. My money is being spent to entertain me at that point. It has value.

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Surprised to see Eyring.

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

The puppets are very lifelike.

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

I'm going to say it given the frequency of her talks:

Which Apostle has a boner for Runia? 

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u/windriver32 Ex-Mormon Episcopalian 14d ago

Mods, because this is a general thread can we have auto sorted by new instead of best?

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u/ako-si-greg 14d ago

Isn’t this guy French? Did that announcement that authorities could give their talks in their native languages really only last for like one conference a few years ago?

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Don't shoot the messenger, but yes that was only one conference back in 2014.

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

Geez,  this session has too much death in it.  Signed,  Quinton Terantino.

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u/Ambitious-Trash1000 14d ago

This is my first time that my mom isn't making me watch/listen to gc and I just wanted to post here and say that there is a better life after whatever shit show you're going through right now. I do apologize that it sounds kinda preachy 😅, but I didn't have hope that it would get better for a while, and it was horrible. Both my parents are more supportive of me now, and I know that isn't the case for a lot of people, but there is good coming your way. Live your life, love who you love, believe whatever you want to believe, just be YOU. You're amazing and don't forget it ❤️

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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. 14d ago

Fun fact: the nightmares persist well after a decade after you come home :)

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Gong: size doesn't matter it's how you use it

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u/zjelkof 14d ago

Wow - that's an inspiring message from the Q15! I wonder how many women would agree with that statement?

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Record numbers of missionaries 

are leaving the church because they find out how much of a lie this religion is

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u/Philcastro 14d ago

I’m not watching, I’m at work. But today I overheard a coworker venting and saying “ I don’t even know why I watch gc, I’m not being told anything profound. Nothing new is being said…” Glad to see people waking up 

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

You know, Mormonism is the only religion that takes "until death do we part" literally and not poetic 

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Prompted. It almost sounds like these people think they are radio receivers from another world directing random actions. Real robots.

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Joseph's restored church

The 1830 church would be embarrassed by the 2026 church

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Joseph Smith was not great at writing. This is true. He was, however, excellent at telling stories and dictating. He just needed others to help with the writing.

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

Would Christofferson turn down the 10% tithing somebody gives the church for a powerball win? 

Methinks not.

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u/ako-si-greg 14d ago

Did Gong mention Jesus one time during that talk?

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Did she just shoot holes in the transactional relationship most members have with the gospel? What about that verse in D&C about "when we obtain any blessing it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated"?

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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer 14d ago

It's my last oct conference!

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Seems like there should be a Polynesian apostle by now.

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u/Sea_Button_3616 14d ago edited 14d ago

Oh wow hearing about a car accident where no one is hurt, contrasting it with the dead baby from the previous talk, and talking about divine deliverance after is sooo....

Do people have to approve the order of the talks, not just the content?

Edit: oh I guess he had to include a car accident that resulted in death, too.

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

A cheering song after this carnage?

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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 14d ago

Sean Douglas is such a generic video game character sounding name lol

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

After the financial scandal,  I don't give these Presiding Bishop dooshes any respect. 

Eff off the stand, loser.

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u/Return_and_report 14d ago

DON'T THINK, JUST KEEP GOING, YOU ARE THE ✨️CHOSEN ONE✨️

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u/LookingForMyComp 14d ago

We need a "dead pool" to track the death scares in conference talks because it sounds like the morg (morgue?) is using fear of death as a manipulation tactic to try to scare everybody into paying up and showing up

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Oooh a talk on gambling.... about time.

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

It's fine if we do it when investing in companies, but bad when you invest in lotteries 

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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 14d ago

Gong: [size doesn't matter]

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Stain removal to death is crazy

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

"meet the brethren in their sacred meeting room"

So like, a conference room.

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u/Just_A_Human_Dude Apostate 14d ago

Sure, my testimony changed my life. My testimony trauma bonded (the abuse pattern) me to the church. It left me with literal PTSD.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

PTSD pals <3

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Anyone have nightmares of church? I frequently have nightmares of being stuck in the meetinghouse

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u/ako-si-greg 14d ago

The Saints used to babble in tongues. Big thing.

It got replaced with testimony bearing.

In case anyone was wondering why testimony bearing is so important to the church historically.

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u/PcHound2 14d ago

There were 4 conflicting versions of the first vision.

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

Death count +1

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u/vanillacreek 14d ago

We all have life challenges. Our challenges can be self caused or beyond our control. What you constantly hear in GC is that the solution to challenges is the Church (Gong). Certainly social ties can provide help and support; however, there are many (i.e., financial, time, self esteem) actually caused by the Church. The Church is not a solution as marketed. The solution is more related to building self strength.

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u/Just_A_Human_Dude Apostate 14d ago

Another one added to the death count

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u/Jealous_Pool_9514 Apostate 14d ago

I’m 99% Henry Eyring has Parkinsons, I’ve wondered for years but seeing how his vocal and hand tremor was worse the second time he talked makes me think he had taken meds to help with it at the beginning of conference but they’ve lessened in effect now (coming from a PT who works with Parkinson’s patients)

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u/Billytheidd69 14d ago

If only someone had the power of God to lay hands upon his head and heal him.  Anyone?   Dallin? Ucht? Bueller?

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u/ako-si-greg 14d ago

My mission sucked. It isn’t good to force everyone out on missions.

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

The stock market is great though.

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u/SecretPersonality178 14d ago

So far we can determine:

  • missionary numbers are down despite the claim for “record numbers”
  • FOs are down
  • Gambling is bad (I agree), but also ironic because people are LITERALLY gambling with tithing. Pay now for the possibility of something more later…

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Is temple spire height part of the doctrine?

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

Translation. Mormon life is indistinguishable from any other life.

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

LEGO instructions have infamous bad instructions; I don't think you want to use that analogy 

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u/PcHound2 14d ago

I hate that ghostly serious vibe from my family when it comes to church/GC. It's so creepy like there's some hypnotization going on.

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u/PcHound2 14d ago

Most depressing and most spiritual. God breaks us down to make us better. Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

I WAS going to go on a mission, but they stopped me because I was assessed to be too mentally unwell to go LOL. Became a temple worker instead

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u/theivyangel Apostate 14d ago

Thrust in, huh?

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

his eyes is on the sparrow 

But not that kid who died at sea, apparently 

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

Given his definition, the entire insurance industry is gambling.

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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 14d ago

And now it's a shitty talk

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u/theivyangel Apostate 14d ago

The way my parents die of laughter whenever there's a stupid ass joke

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u/1Searchfortruth 14d ago

I hope their true colors show and they say what they really think and know

The truth must come out

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u/intensenerd Nuanced. Bearded. Different. 14d ago

Love how he’s listing these countries as if the world is as large as it used to be.

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

You're not going to find freedom in the temple

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u/RoastNonsense 14d ago

Death count ++

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u/Rushclock 14d ago

It happens every time. One long funeral march.

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Then that's all that matters 

Yep. Approved questions, approved answers, approved conclusions are the only thing that matter to them.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Yeah, and I feel guilty now for all the times I bore my testimony and 'inspired' those around me.

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

false prophets 

The introspection is weak with this one

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

No. We know that Mormonism is not restored to what Jesus or Paul made

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u/GrumpyTom 14d ago

[car accident happens]

"Why god! Whhyyyyy?"

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Your reminder that that's not what "after all we can do" means

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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 14d ago

Yeah, no. I'm not dependent on God.

At all.

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

I would just get light-headed when I fasted

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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 14d ago

Oh boy, missionary propaganda time

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u/Prudentcrudite 14d ago

Who needs a background in theology when you have rich folks to speak on behalf of God?

Eyring - professor of business

Shumway - Exxon chemical engineer

Christofferson - banker/protector of abusers

Gong - byu admin

Runia - wife/provo parks and rec board (unsure if it's a volunteer position?)

Caussé - strategy consultant

Sikahema - professional athlete

Hathaway - pharmaceutical rep for pfizer/owner of Freedom Rentals

Soares - tire company auditor turned church employee

Douglas - accountant/huntsman corp

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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. 14d ago

"nothing for something"

Pretty sure my bets aren't 'nothing' sir.