LCS playoffs SEN vs SR live discussion thread?

[u/sorendiz]

is there already a discussion thread up for SEN vs SR, because i can't see it if there is. can someone please post a link to it if it exists? thanks

edit: wild i guess not.

SEN (4th seed): Impact / HamBak / DARKWINGS / Rahel / huhi

SR (6th seed): Fudge / Contractz / Zinie / Bvoy / Zeyzal

Game 1:

SR blue side, K'sante/Skarner/Orianna/Kalista/Renata

SEN red side, Rumble/Lee Sin/Syndra/Xayah/Rakan

SEN wins to go up 1-0

Game 2:

SEN blue side, Gnar/Nocturne/Viktor/Jinx/Thresh

SR red side, Malphite/Jarvan IV/Locke/Yunara/Lulu

SEN wins to go up 2-0

Game 3:

SEN blue side, Mundo/Vi/Galio/Kai'sa/Nautilus

SR red side, Renekton/Naafiri/Annie/Ezreal/Leona

SR fights back to get to 1-2 and extend the series

Game 4:

SR blue side, Olaf/Wukong/Lissandra/Lucian/Milio

SEN red side, Trundle/Nidalee/Yone/Ashe/Seraphine

SR throw another haymaker to take us to Silver Scrapes, 2-2

Game 5:

SR blue side, Ambessa/Xin Zhao/Ryze/Miss Fortune/Alistar

SEN red side, Shen/Aatrox/Hwei/Varus/Poppy

SR WIN THE ELDER FLIP, TAKE THE GAME AND COMPLETE THE FIRST LCS REVERSE SWEEP SINCE 2022

[u/ahritina]

PMTs

Game 1 / Game 2 / Game 3 / Game 4 / Game 5

[u/lchow99]

Holy cow what an insane way to end the series. Tbf even if SEN get the baron they still lose so that Bvoy play was actually insane.

[u/Adventurous-Quit-669]

I turned the games off 10 minutes into game 3 when SEN had a lead. Jfc i cant believe that comeback. Watching the vod now

[u/Ajp_iii]

bro i just rewatched the fight. darkwings ult was on contractz so if they got elder he would have been ga'd but he was never in the pit anyway. the rest of sen were in the pit vs ryze/mf and all of shopify had 95% hp when the fight ends. they might have been hit by like 2-3 varus autos.

even if he hits the smite they 100% lose the game. the only way they dont lose the game is if zinie or bvoy decide to try to run away and live which would be reportable.

[u/Intrepid-Message698]

This ending showing how bad the analysts are. Why is sentinels grouping in elder pit against MF and Ryze when they have soul? Even if hambak secured soul they still get wiped.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/Intrepid-Message698]

i think its one thing where they trying to sell the story over what actually happened in the game.

[u/BUMONGOUS]

I feel like C9 or FLY will put these noobs in the hydraulic press regardless

but at least they get to go to china cup

[u/Intrepid-Message698]

honestly, they still lose that fight even if they secured elder.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/Intrepid-Message698]

yep they stacked in the pit vs mf and ryze. so dumb

[u/Ajp_iii]

this is why people like inspired are so important in league. if you are winning 5v5 and poppy ult out the jungler just kill the whole team you are stronger. its so insane even if you have smite vs no smite. it dies so fast why flip your season on it

[u/BUMONGOUS → u/Ajp_iii]

I mean, if it's a 4v5, just fucking kill the enemy team lol

that's the point of poppy

[u/Ajp_iii → u/BUMONGOUS]

i keep seeing so many teams flip elder when they are winning the game its so disappointing.

[u/underscoreenfan]

we are so fucking back baby

[u/SummerhouseLater]

Woah why are the vibes so off?!

lol were they just flaming Bvoy before he won them the series?!

[u/lasse1408]

This is the best way this shitshow could ended lmao

[u/thorpie88]

Banger ending.

[u/irishdevman]

Wow how did that JUST FREAKING HAPPEN?!?!?!

[u/actiongeorge]

Peak NA LCS right there

[u/RukiMotomiya]

what the fuck just happened

[u/birdsindatrap]

hambak smite?

[u/xxbrazilmaster69xx]

No fucking way LOL

[u/kimflo23]

LMAOOOO Nice Smite

[u/Intrepid-Message698]

how do you miss a free smite like that

[u/kotori_mkii]

It's me a jinxed it.

[u/Ajp_iii]

with that complete dogshit build mf stole elder

[u/zerocxro]

ludwig saying mf i useless and then mf saving the game is so funny

[u/Dry-Fail-4227]

LMFAO SR

[u/themagician02]

thats just fucking hilarious ahaha

[u/Ajp_iii]

wtf why did they flip elder when they are the stronger team. take the fight.

[u/Brock-Lesnar]

LMAOOOOO

[u/sorendiz]

THAT'S HOW THE SERIES ENDS? THAT'S HOW YOUR SEASON ENDS? BY LOSING ELDER SMITE TO AN MF ULT?

[u/Tormenator1 → u/sorendiz]

Crazy shit.

[u/Nala-tan → u/sorendiz]

What the fuck man I’m in shock

[u/actiongeorge]

LOL

[u/Kotetsu534]

WHAT AN ENDING! HAMBAK YOU LET IT DROP!

[u/eye_of_your_mind]

lmaooooo

[u/SauceGodPluto]

What the hell did I just watch

[u/carzyturtle → u/SauceGodPluto]

NA LEAGUE BABY

[u/Tormenator1]

OH YEAH!

[u/Choice-Slight]

THERES NO WAY

[u/SWAGGASAUR]

ah hell naw wtf

[u/Goodthingsaregone]

NO WAY DOES SENTINAL LOSE THIS GAME NO WAY

[u/Vnaux]

LMAMO

[u/Kokaiinum]

lmao

[u/Thundermelons]

I need Goldenglue cam NOW

[u/sorendiz]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[u/sorendiz]

lethality aatrox kinda disgusting still

[u/Ajp_iii]

shopify just gave up 4 drakes without contesting a single one in a game 5????????? but community will keep blaming zinie

[u/Ajp_iii]

bvoy with the most cursed item build possible. contractz doing nothing all game. fudge dying in massive situations. this game is looking doomed

[u/SirTacoMaster]

Hambak has been impressive this series. Plays like a younger River

[u/Ajp_iii → u/SirTacoMaster]

yeah he will be really good in the future on a better team. just has to learn when he is pressing too much for a camp.

[u/Bubbly_Camera9583]

Hambak legit blanked there but still lived

[u/Ajp_iii]

Fudge might have lost the game for 250 gold. Gg

[u/cmcdonald22]

That's the kind of no-damage MF interaction I expect from most players.

[u/JakobTheOne]

Does Contractz understand what Shen does/that the enemy team has a Shen?

[u/Kotetsu534]

Uh, Zeyzal, WTF was that in a game 5?!

[u/Strong_Reference_762]

Greedy piggy hambak

[u/Kokaiinum]

Hm I wonder if the Shen WHO WE AREN'T MATCHING will use ult Clueless

[u/zerocxro]

u ever played league with your career on the line? - this series summary

[u/SummerhouseLater]

Man. I wrote a post about this earlier this year but this series has made it even clearer - Kangas is getting better, and better, every game.

Fewer distractions, clearer take aways, better set ups for Jatt, actually being able to goof around the Jatt.

There has been work done here and it shows. Also some one correct me but Kangas is the first caster who doesn’t have a filler word to me, similar to say Azael’s “At the end of the day” or Jatt’s “waaaaaybetter”.

[u/rester11193 → u/SummerhouseLater]

Hes a great addition to the LCS team. You can feel that hes happy to be there and giving it his all.

[u/sorendiz → u/SummerhouseLater]

True, I've been a historical Kangas not-enjoyer but I think he did a great job this series

[u/SirTacoMaster → u/SummerhouseLater]

Yeah he has been good this series

[u/cmcdonald22]

Zinie does not have the Ryse pass, Bvoy definiteleye does not hae the MF pass. Impact absolutely has the Shen pass.

I DUNNO REBELS I THINK YOUR COACH SOLD YOU OUT.

[u/awayfromcanuck]

SEN basically have no engage but their counter engage is pretty strong.

[u/shedinja292 → u/[deleted]]

Okay but not great like vi, nautilus, sejuani, etc

[u/Ajp_iii]

Welp MASSIVE Coach gap. These champs don’t fit bvoy or zinie at all. And Sen got everything they needed to play well

[u/ILikeSeals1312]

I can't believe it but I fear we are going to see SEN finish 6th. That would be really disappointing.

[u/cmcdonald22]

I hate the lack of Sylas.

[u/FruFruKlaus]

Vedius was right? 3-2 in favor of SR?

[u/Tormenator1]

Zinie ryze instead of sylas? Why??

[u/Ajp_iii]

It would be hilarious if they win this and then zinie pops off in china and he saves his job for next year because of like 6-8 games

[u/underscoreenfan → u/Ajp_iii]

he is a future edward gaming legend fr

[u/sorendiz]

also all due respect to HamBak, he played it well and all, but i will always cheer when i see nidalee losing

[u/Kotetsu534 → u/sorendiz]

To be honest he kind of ruined the game with the greedy death in top jungle. The win path for Nidalee jungle is so narrow it isn't enough to just play it well - it has to be without any significant error at all.

[u/adibou25]

The Zinnie that was promised

[u/Ajp_iii]

Shopify need go buttons on their comp especially for zinie. And Sen need to get a draft with mage mid tank engage top and hyper carry adc.

It will be difficult on both teams. As they only look decent with one style of comp

[u/PepaTK]

Ofc Liss was Zinie’s idea.

Reven’s idea of creativity is using a purple crayon to draw the sky.

Let Zinie play his champs ffs.

[u/cmcdonald22]

I can't believe for the whole year the answer actually that SR should have just let Zinie keep cooking after AP Xin and Jack of All Trades Galio.

[u/underscoreenfan]

What champs does impact have left in the bag bro this might be a reverse sweep

[u/sorendiz → u/underscoreenfan]

shen is up

[u/underscoreenfan → u/sorendiz]

you got the lotto numbers too Mr Mindreader?

[u/sorendiz → u/underscoreenfan]

Lol in the hardest of times impact will always go back to Old Faithful Shen, even if it didn't end up being enough to win them the game this time

[u/Ajp_iii → u/underscoreenfan]

Probably like a sion. Or poppy

[u/sugapuppy]

so now i gotta play sosa on my own

[u/Thundermelons → u/sugapuppy]

Silver Scrapes is great and all but what about AI Sosa

[u/Ajp_iii]

Also what is a playmaker cc mid left. They probably will ban sylas

[u/Kotetsu534]

Well played Zinie! Happy he had a game like that after so many bad ones.

[u/Ajp_iii]

Sen should go sion top and zeri adc

[u/BlammoSweetums]

Nvm Zinie MVP

[u/sorendiz]

OH WE'RE GAMING NOW I GUESS

[u/zerocxro]

SR realized they're never getting a spot in the LCS if they don't lock tf in

[u/Ajp_iii]

Zinie just 1v5d the whole team after fudge and bvoy did literally nothing at the start

[u/CensoredLlama1]

Zinnie is actually completely hard carrying SR 

[u/sorendiz]

WHAT IS THIS GAME LOL

ZINIE PLAYER OF THE GAME IF THEY WIN

[u/Thundermelons]

never thought I'd say this but thank god SR has Zinie

[u/sorendiz → u/Thundermelons]

it feels EXTREMELY weird to be cheering for Zinie POTG

[u/Kotetsu534]

HamBak played the fight insanely well. Zoned Zinie out and then landed a clutch spear on Bvoy. One of the best Nidalee teamfights I've seen in years.

Still Shopify should win this game really.

[u/SecondSanguinica]

Your mid Lissandra getting pretty much soloed by Nidalee two screens away from the actual fight is funny

[u/sorendiz]

lethal tempo trundle Aware

[u/Tormenator1]

WHY does shopify play like this man! So many flashes of brilliance,but they have the macro of my dead dog.

[u/cmcdonald22]

If you make it to Game 5 you just HAVE TO insta lock Sylas or if you're SEN ban it right? You can't let Zinie do this to you.

[u/Kotetsu534]

This is some game alright.

[u/CensoredLlama1]

Zinnie on lissandra really is completely night and day

[u/Hex_Blast]

Lmao sentinels look totally out of this, reverse sweep incoming

[u/cmcdonald22]

Maybe SR SHOULD have let Zinie keep playing his shit, because it's the only time he pops off.

[u/xxbrazilmaster69xx]

Reverse sweep?

[u/Tormenator1]

holy fuck?

[u/sorendiz]

HOLY WOMBO LOL

HELLO BARON BUFF GOODBYE BARON BUFF

[u/Tormenator1 → u/sorendiz]

Zinie has some bright spots man.

[u/sorendiz → u/Tormenator1]

Bruh if he could do this more than once in 10 games i would be SO happy but it's the flashes of potential that make you even more frustrated watching him normally

[u/Ajp_iii]

Shopify tried to play 2 hard to play bot lanes and each game their bot looked so ass playing it. You have to be great to play Lucian and kalista

[u/Ajp_iii]

Sen can literally only play control mage mid, ranged hyper carry adc. Engage support and tank engage toplaner.

Anything else and they are so much worse of a team

[u/Tormenator1]

Didn't know this was today, fuck. What's been happening so far?

[u/cmcdonald22 → u/Tormenator1]

Sentinels stomped first two games. Bvoy locked in Ezreal for game 3 and carried.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/Tormenator1]

Shopify completely lost first 2 games. Sen running out of comps they are able to play and more even game 3/4

[u/cmcdonald22]

I will predict against every LCS Lucian/Milio that is not Berserker/Isles.

It is up to the rest of SR to carry.

[u/cmcdonald22]

Let the Analysts just go through all the champs and pick the SR draft honestly.

[u/Kotetsu534]

Bit of a messy game from Sentinels to lose with a lead despite outscaling.

I expect someone to be on Jhin game 4 (Cait + Lucian should be banned out again).

Edit: Okay I didn't expect Lucian / Milio to be let through. And HamBak's brought out Nidalee. Getting a bit weird as we go deeper.

[u/awayfromcanuck]

Impact walking around like he has a ton of resistances on Mundo when he's only built health. Didn't even have tier 2 boots until after 25 mins.

[u/Ajp_iii]

Sen kept trying to engage on Annie which is pointless. Once Annie gets all spells off Annie did their job.

Sen can only play 1 style of comp. Also now this opens a ban spot for Shopify. Now they only need to ban cait

[u/SummerhouseLater]

I’m late to the party. Is SR reverse sweeping or is Rahel here today?

[u/kapparino-feederino → u/SummerhouseLater]

rahel was pretty good for the first 2 games tbh. 3rd game kinda unlucky

[u/SummerhouseLater → u/kapparino-feederino]

Interesting; so if SR ban him out they have a chance?

[u/cmcdonald22]

I always think more western teams should get good on Leona, and Zeyzal 2v1'ing does reinforce this.

[u/sorendiz]

BATTLE LEONA

[u/sorendiz]

why does it feel like SR is going to come back and make the glrious play here but ultimately make one mistake and fall short to finish the sweep

[u/x_TDeck_x]

Darkwings defender but this galio play has been suboptimal so far

[u/Ajp_iii → u/x_TDeck_x]

Sen is just as limited as Shopify but Sen coaching staff is 10x better

[u/cmcdonald22]

I guess you don't have to worry about who kills the Mundo if he just walks around by himself and dies.

[u/Booshneer]

ok the mid game sketches are kind of jarring for me, especially in a game where a teams entire year is on the line.

[u/sorendiz]

LDR passive going to do crazy work for bvoy this game

[u/Ajp_iii]

Them sending everything on impact messed up Sen engage combo so when Sen engaged they didn’t have cc for any of sr backline

[u/sorendiz]

unironically feel like getting 3rd drake -> faster reset would have been better than taking baron there

[u/kapparino-feederino → u/sorendiz]

probably harder to do baron with everyone up

[u/sorendiz → u/kapparino-feederino]

yea i just think that current season i would rather just get to soul point than have baron, but it didnt matter since they got both

[u/sorendiz → u/sorendiz]

never mind they got the drake anyway, i'm surprised SEN gave it over

[u/Ajp_iii → u/sorendiz]

Sen just watched them take baton instead of starting drake

[u/sorendiz → u/Ajp_iii]

tbf i guess rahel and hambak were dead and that's 95% of their damage

[u/cmcdonald22]

Okay, SR are looking the best they've looked maybe, but like....... who kills the Mundo?

[u/Kotetsu534]

Ack that ward placement is painful.

[u/SirTacoMaster]

Sen cooo cooo for thinking they could win that 4v4 lol

[u/Elliot_LuNa]

the only time a situation isn't catastrophic for shopify it's just sentinels inting on mid because they're bored

[u/sorendiz]

please give us a permanently-on Goldenglue reaction cam

[u/kapparino-feederino]

Sen weird macro there for a macro team

[u/Ajp_iii]

Shopify has zero idea on how teamfights work.

[u/canxtanwe]

Playing Naafiri Ezreal Annie against Kai’sa who is shielded by 4 tanks and she can also build Zhonya’s lol

[u/sorendiz]

THE EZREAL ONETRICK RIDES AGAIN

[u/kapparino-feederino]

guys C9 loses Elder and Baron to this team. sure they win but its far from convincing

[u/Dry-Fail-4227]

Contractz going on mundo and then accidently ulting galio was rough. Not even going to talk about sr's other players other than fudge, who is fine.

[u/Ajp_iii]

This game gives more confidence Lyon will stomp c9. Only benefit c9 has is Lyon haven’t had a real game in 3 weeks

[u/cmcdonald22 → u/Ajp_iii]

I see nothing but stomps for the rest of play offs. I don't think we see anything larger than a 3-1 in any game if we even manage to get one of those.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/cmcdonald22]

I think tl has a chance if Lyon play bad on the day or if they get a great Morgan performance and bersker/isles doesn’t just slam bot

[u/youngnailo]

every series this month has been a sweep smh

[u/sorendiz]

how do you choose to fight this with no flash on annie and a level 5 leona

[u/Ajp_iii → u/sorendiz]

Coach says must swap at 7:30. So we must swap at 7:30 no matter what

[u/SirTacoMaster]

Zinie just Q w ulted at full stacks...

[u/Ajp_iii]

Both teams based for grubs. Sen whole team went through mid and sr adc support went top. That meant Sen got mid pushed in and was in river first.

[u/GeneralDash → u/[deleted]]

I thought I had enough emails for the week, but yeah, I could have had one more and skipped this series. SR didn’t show up at all.

[u/Ajp_iii]

The mistakes zinie is making is full mental boom type mistakes. Feels like a coaching staff issue for how they setup the progress on how to use a rookie into a tier 1 team.

[u/StepEmbarrassed6624 → u/Ajp_iii]

I think that damonte interview told me all i needed to know about the coaches' ability. "What makes your draft good?" "Our players are comfortable on their champions" That's the extent of your strategic thinking?

[u/Ajp_iii → u/StepEmbarrassed6624]

Yeah also their mid lane positional coach is selfie. Why wouldn’t you have a Korean mid coach for your rookie mid?

[u/ItzFeufo]

zinie making sure that bvoy won't get the most shit this time for once...

that was godawful...

[u/Dry-Fail-4227 → u/ItzFeufo]

Talented player with absurd stage nerves. I hope he gets another chance but i understand fully why most people want him gone

[u/GeneralDash → u/Dry-Fail-4227]

100% agree. He’s looked terrible all year, but I’d still give him one more.

[u/ItzFeufo → u/Dry-Fail-4227]

I don't want him gone. I care too little about SR for that.

Maybe some mental coach can help him overcome the jitters but in the end I was just pointing out that play...and damn...again...it sucked lol

[u/LumiRhino → u/Dry-Fail-4227]

Like IMO I don't even think he's hopeless but he needs to get the fuck out of SR ASAP for both of their sakes. Despite SR having Bvoy and Reven I do not believe they have the proper structure to support an incoming Korean player the same way a team like TL does.

[u/Dry-Fail-4227 → u/LumiRhino]

Yeah he needs a psychologist not just 2 other korean people.

[u/sorendiz]

zinie moment 😭

[u/GeneralDash]

I don’t really like the Mundo pick there, but also I don’t think it matters the way SR have been playing.

[u/Ajp_iii]

This is another game where contractz will have to force early game plays and invades. Lets see if he will just auto full clear again

[u/cmcdonald22]

I already hate SR's draft. I just think no matter what you're at the point where game 3 pick 3 you just have to blind slam a Sylas, hope 'Good Zinie' shows up, and give it a ban or two to help the counter pick. I think Zinie's Annie is over rated and living off of 1 good play from like week 4 of split 2.

[u/PankoKing]

Sorry guys, automod auto-posting broke and we didn’t catch it. So for like a one time deal, we’re using this as the main post

[u/Ajp_iii]

Who knows how good or bad zinie will be next year. But I’d rather give rookies chances on these bottom teams than players like fudge/contractz/bvoy. You just can’t be that bad in 2 games top against impact who you know what he will be playing. And contractz who is known to be an aggressive jungler just kinda disappears in every “even” matchup

[u/buffnugget_2 → u/Ajp_iii]

I imagine zinnie won't be in the LCS next year

[u/cmcdonald22 → u/buffnugget_2]

I can't think of any team who would want him that would be willing to pay what we all assume SR paid for him.

So then it's like, does LCK Challenger teams want him back? Or is he tainted? I can't see anyone in the LCK Tier 1 paying any amount of monet for him after this season.

So what, like, hope you get an LPL offer? Wait for the dreggs of LCS to run out of options and get Dignitas Zinie?

[u/buffnugget_2 → u/cmcdonald22]

Yeah, I think you hope any luck challenger team takes you. That or Brazil :)

[u/Ajp_iii → u/buffnugget_2]

Yeah I think he won’t. The bad teams don’t have the infrastructure for helping teach a new player and fix English. But I think his play and the community focus on it is hovering up how bad the veterans of this team are playing

[u/Strong_Reference_762]

Of the middle of the league teams shopify is just a step below the rest. Less decisive, less focused, worse drafts. Theyre only not a bottom feeder because dsg and dig were extremely pathetic this split

[u/-XStream23-]

Marlon Fudge, press R !

[u/Thundermelons → u/-XStream23-]

If there's a live clip of Fudge physically looking down at his keyboard to find the R button I will lose it

[u/lchow99]

Jesus Christ that had to be the worst Malphite performance I’ve ever seen

[u/Kotetsu534]

8 - 0 dragons after two games. 12 - 0 must be extremely rare.

[u/Ajp_iii]

The whole point of Locke j4 in this comp is to get ahead early so your malphite yunara can carry teamfights. But j4 just full cleared whole early game. And then fudge ran it every single teamfight with his positioning. Never seen a malphite always behind his team

[u/sorendiz]

Zinie can only play one kind of champ and he can't even play that kind of champ :/

[u/ChiefBlueSky]

Zinie is just so incredibly bad. SR with Palafox would do better LMAO

[u/youngnailo]

nice after this match the last 7 series will have been all sweeps

[u/cmcdonald22 → u/youngnailo]

I'm expecting almost exclusively sweeps for the rest of play offs.

[u/cmcdonald22]

Kangas is the king of absurdist skits. Especially like random short ones like that. Really help the product, especially in stomps like this.

[u/justicecactus → u/cmcdonald22]

I wonder what MarkZ and Kangas on the broadcast at the same time would look like

[u/Ajp_iii]

I don’t like how contractz has played these early games. His team is just worse in lanes and he hasn’t tried to flip or outplay anything. Sometimes it’s better to lose the game lvl 3 rather than just slowly losing cause all your lanes are bleeding cs

Also fudge inted the whole game. Not one malphite ult in. Gave up river position.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/[deleted]]

Yep but he should be saying play through me let’s win the game. You can’t autopilot full clear j4 that game.

[u/spazzxxcc12]

why am i just now realizing how bad this bracket is? the higher seed that loses tomorrow gets a bye for the lower bracket? how dumb